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Playing the Spanish Inquisition with D&D rules???
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Carl Dau
2008-02-03 12:04:53 UTC
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I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.

Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.

How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???

I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.

What do you think???
Veljko Dobrijevic
2008-02-03 12:35:18 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
Add magic users and different alignments.
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Jasin Zujovic
2008-02-03 15:06:37 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition
"The Inquisition, what a show
The Inquisition, here we go
I know you're wishin' that we'd go away...!"
Post by Carl Dau
and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
Much depends on what your goals are and how honest you are. You could be
a hypocritical jackass and burn people left and right because you don't
like the. You could be honest but dangerously misguided and use
compulsions to force people to "repent". Finally, considering how much
true Evil there is in a typical world, you could easily be an inquisitor
and hunt demons, witches and cultists and have none of the sinister over
tones of the real world Inquisition.
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Ken Andrews
2008-02-03 16:06:58 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:04:53 -0800 (PST), Carl Dau
Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
Torture is wrong. You only cause pain to convince people to see the
error of their ways. If they convert, then they go free. They only
go to the fire if they are unrepentant heathens who refuse to accept
the One True Way.

Or if they're caught practicing their heathen beliefs after *swearing*
that they'd be good followers.
Post by Carl Dau
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
My campaign has the Spanish Inquisition running, hot and happy. The
PCs, however, do *not* run it. Run afoul of it, yes.

Spain is currently under the control of the Inquisition. They are
followers of the Risen Christos, but... not accurately.

None of the inquisitors can cast spells above Level 2. They have
interpreted this as meaning that they are insufficiently devout in
their spreading of their beliefs.

There are priests of the Risen Christos who can cast spells above L2.
The inquisitors consider them apostates, who are actually getting
their powers from devils and the like. If the inquisitors catch them,
they get burnt at the stake.

Those who publicly show that they follow other religions are forced to
convert. Due to the large Jewish and Moorish populations prior to
this, there are a lot of hidden Jews and Moors, so the inquisitors
tend to be looking for them the most, and may not recognize symbols of
some other religions.

Spain is not technically at war with anybody, other than the Aztecs,
but that doesn't help if you're caught by Spanish ships, umm, pretty
much anywhere. (I was going to say in Spanish waters, but it also
applies in French waters, Phoenecian waters, and anywhere else they
can catch you.)

All Spanish ships have inquisitors on board, and they can override the
captain in regards to actions taken with prisoners. Or even whether
or not to take prisoners. If the other ship has been using magic, or
is obviously Norse, then the answer's generally "no".

Note that if you don't try to run away, heave to immediately, allow
the inquisitors full access to the ship, allow them to purge the crew
of Jews, Moors, Sorcerers, Elves..., allow them to take a proper
payment to the Church, and swear, each and every one, that you're
proper followers of the Risen Christos, then they'll not do anything
bad to you (which you would otherwise deserve), and they'll let you go
on your way.

The Spanish have lately been insisting that the French turn over their
refugee Jews and Moors to Spain, and that France should turn more to
the Risen Christos and start... encouraging others to convert from
heathen religions to the approved one. This puts a hair up the nose
of the French, who don't appreciate being told what to do. Unknown to
the French, the Inquisition has started sending assassins out to get
rid of more prominent refugees, and get rid of apostate priests,
refugee or not, in France.

Spain has plans for England. There's demons all over the place,
especially in Eire and Wales, and far too many followers of heathen
religions. Much simpler to just go in and clean the place out, then
populate it with properly respectful, religious Spanish peasants.

England will have to wait, though, until Spain finishes dealing with
all those demon-worshippers in the New World.


Other races:

Halflings are regarded with suspicion. Sure, they profess to follow
the Risen Christos, but they're far too... happy and polite. How can
they be happy, when there's so many people not following the right
religion in the world?

Dwarves are properly dour, but... they drink too much, they are far
too greedy (everybody *knows* that dwarves covet gold), and they've
refused entirely reasonable requests that inquisitors have the right
to enter dwarven mines looking for Jews and Moors. Further, their
very appearance, stunted, ugly, and hairy, shows that God, if not
turning his face from them, certainly doesn't view them with approval.
And sure, they *say* they follow the Risen Christos, but how can you
be sure, when they refuse to allow inquisitors into their mines?

Elves are obviously demonic, and are killed immediately.

Gnomes do magic, magic is Evil, so they've got a choice. Renounce
magic and have their eyes and hands removed, or die. As they are
steeped in sin, gnomes so far have always died. But, they're always
given a choice.

Orcs, as they are obviously nonhuman, are equally obviously demonic,
and are killed immediately.



Classes:

Barbarians, as long as they visibly follow the Risen Christos, are
acceptable. And as long as they follow the instructions of any
inquisitor in the area.

Bards are Rogues. See Rogues for details.

Clerics, if they follow the Risen Christos, are fine. Until they cast
any spell over L2, at which point they're apostate. If they follow
anybody else, then their gear is confiscated and they can either
convert or die.

Druids, if recognized, are obviously in league with demons. Bye-bye.

Fighters are fine, as per barbarians.

Monks aren't seen around very often. As long as they show proper
respect and obedience to the inquisitors, they'll do alright. Until
the inquisitors realize that they're followers of other gods, anyway.

Paladins, as they are obviously unholy warriors serving demonic
forces, are killed in battle. No Paladin has ever been taken alive.

Rangers do fine, until they're spotted casting any spells at all.
Fighters don't cast spells. If a fighter casts spells, then obviously
he's been making deals with demons and devils...

Rogues get a hand removed the first time they're caught stealing.
Second time, they go to the fire.

Sorcerers, as demonic blood is obviously in their ancestry, die.

Wizards, if not Elven, get the Gnomish choice.

Blackguards, if they show the symbol of the Risen Christos, are
accepted as holy warriors... until they cast a spell that's higher
than L2, at which point it's suddenly realized that they have been
faking it, are really apostate, and get what apostates deserve.



Spain is not a happy place.
tussock
2008-02-04 01:34:44 UTC
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Post by Ken Andrews
None of the inquisitors can cast spells above Level 2. They have
interpreted this as meaning that they are insufficiently devout in their
spreading of their beliefs.
There are priests of the Risen Christos who can cast spells above L2.
The inquisitors consider them apostates, who are actually getting their
powers from devils and the like. If the inquisitors catch them, they
get burnt at the stake.
That's about perfect. We're obviously not fervent enough in our
correctness, because we don't get L3 spells; they get level 3 spells, so
must be doing it completely wrong (as they're clearly not more fervently
correct than us).

It's like the universal healthcare debate. Those really poor
countries that have it, they're obviously doing it wrong.
Post by Ken Andrews
Spain is not a happy place.
Certainly not for the gnomes. The halflings didn't seem to mind,
which is really creepy, especially for my version of halflings. Ew.

Nice post, dude, hope the campaign plays out extra well for you.
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Ken Andrews
2008-02-04 05:12:38 UTC
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Post by tussock
Post by Ken Andrews
Spain is not a happy place.
Certainly not for the gnomes. The halflings didn't seem to mind,
which is really creepy, especially for my version of halflings. Ew.
Oh, the halflings do mind, they're just better at hiding it. And
hiding Moors, Jews, and other people who need to get out of the
country quietly.

Flemish halflings pick up anyone they can on their trips past Spain.
Admitted, the refugees may wind up half-way around the world, but it's
better than being in Spain.

Unfortunately, the only people they can pick up are those out on the
water; no ships willingly dock at Spanish ports lately. Especially
not Phoenician ships, as they spend entirely too much time near the
Moors and the Jews, and their ships practically get torn apart if they
dock. And they *always* lose crew members to the Inquisition.
Post by tussock
Nice post, dude, hope the campaign plays out extra well for you.
It adds a nice touch. A nice 3-sided war between the Spanish, the
Aztecs, and the 6 Nations Confederation.
Dragonkat
2008-02-05 07:47:34 UTC
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Post by Ken Andrews
Spain is not a happy place.
   Certainly not for the gnomes. The halflings didn't seem to mind,
which is really creepy, especially for my version of halflings. Ew.
Oh, the halflings do mind, they're just better at hiding it.  And
hiding Moors, Jews, and other people who need to get out of the
country quietly.
Flemish halflings pick up anyone they can on their trips past Spain.
Admitted, the refugees may wind up half-way around the world, but it's
better than being in Spain.
Unfortunately, the only people they can pick up are those out on the
water; no ships willingly dock at Spanish ports lately.  Especially
not Phoenician ships, as they spend entirely too much time near the
Moors and the Jews, and their ships practically get torn apart if they
dock.  And they *always* lose crew members to the Inquisition.
   Nice post, dude, hope the campaign plays out extra well for you.
It adds a nice touch.  A nice 3-sided war between the Spanish, the
Aztecs, and the 6 Nations Confederation.
What about the *New* World?! Fervenly Inquisiting the natives,
Aztecs, and such, Looking for more Gold, Looking for Silver. Gems too,
but the natives have dumped lots and lots of jade into a deep lake...
they get fired!

The 6 Nations Confederation turns to Privateers (fancy for Pirates) to
raid Spainish Galleons, competing Nations who like GOLD and taking
Galleons by magic & divine spells. Herasy!

Dragonkat
Matt Frisch
2008-02-03 19:09:46 UTC
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 04:04:53 -0800 (PST), Carl Dau
Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
This is completely unexpected.

(oh, and your counting coup newsgroup removed from the header, troll)
Sea Wasp
2008-02-03 20:01:33 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition
I didn't expect that.
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Gas Spore Paladin
2008-02-03 22:59:04 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition
        I didn't expect that.
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1. The "soft cushions Cardinal Fang!"

2. Did I read the OP correctly - he l-i-k-e-d the Spanish
Inquisition???

Call me a cunt, but....
phy
2008-02-04 01:20:11 UTC
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Post by Gas Spore Paladin
Call me a cunt, but....
Hi, Cunt Butt

-phy
Gas Spore Paladin
2008-02-04 07:49:26 UTC
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Post by Gas Spore Paladin
Call me a cunt, but....
Hi, Cunt Butt
-phy
Good idea - my next h-orc fighter will be called "Kunt-Butt"
Dragonkat
2008-02-04 14:58:35 UTC
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Have you considered the Church Inquisitor PrC??
in Compleate Divine pages 26-28?!

It advances spellcaster lvl but if you can't use L3+...

Inquistion domain (Chapter 7, pg.139)
Detect Chaos Lvl 1
Zone of Truth Lvl 2

Best Regards

Dragonkat
Hadsil
2008-02-03 23:06:01 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
I didn't expect this.

Gerald Katz
Jasin Zujovic
2008-02-03 23:39:17 UTC
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Post by Hadsil
Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
I didn't expect this.
Nice and understated. It actually made me do a double take. :)
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2008-02-05 03:08:31 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
Cant happen on a Core-like DND world for the simple fact the other
gods -will- quickly respond in-kind once the Inquisition makes any
significant Cleansing. Especially if the other Patheons opt to set
aside their differences to ensure this upstart-diety learns His place
in the grand scheme of things.

Secondly, limiting the Inquistors of the Risen Christos to 2nd level
spells ensures their defeat (since its the Heathens lack this
limitation)

The closest example coming to mind would be Dragonlance's KingPriest
of Istar -- whose folly was squelched with a medium sized metor
converting "Spain" into a new inland sea IRC.
Ubiquitous
2008-02-05 03:01:46 UTC
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Post by Carl Dau
I'm a big fan of the Spanish Inquisition and I'd like to
organize a D&D Inquisition, where I'd be the grande
inquisitor and we'd burn sinners at the stake.
Sinners are those who do not believe in the right god, if
they do not accept the right god, they'll be tortured and
then burned at the stake.
How could I organize a Spanish Inquisition in the D&D world???
I suppose humans are the best grand inquisitors and all
the other races plus humans are good victims.
What do you think???
NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!
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