Elflings

[Jim Davies]

An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +2 racial bonus on saving throws against fear and enchantment:
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.

Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.


--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[JdV]

What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.
ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.
Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.
--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim
D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff onhttp://www.aaargh.org

[Werebat]

I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...

- Ron ^*^

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.
ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.
Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.
--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim
D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff onhttp://www.aaargh.org

[Eric P.]

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.
ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.
Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.
--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim
D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff onhttp://www.aaargh.org

Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.

- E

[Warren Okuma]

Post by Eric P.

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.
ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.
Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.
--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim
D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff onhttp://www.aaargh.org

Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.

Aye. Your're gonna need to do some research on fertility potion first. Or
use a miracle from a trickster god. Otherwise looks okay.

[Eric P.]

Post by Warren Okuma

Post by Eric P.

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.
ELFLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, an elfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Elfling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: An elfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, Climb, Jump, and Move
Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with thrown weapons, bows and
slings.
* Elven and Halfling Blood: For all effects related to race, an
elfling is considered both an elf and a halfling.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Elven or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass elfling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.
Comments? Apart from any regarding the physics of procreation, and
size factors thereof.
--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim
D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff onhttp://www.aaargh.org

Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.

Aye. Your're gonna need to do some research on fertility potion first. Or
use a miracle from a trickster god. Otherwise looks okay.

Perhaps some sort of magical experiment could be part of the origin
story. Or, as mentioned above, a cleric of a trickster god casts
/reincarnation/ on a fallen comrade, with the hybrid as the result. That
could prove amusing :)

- E

[Simon Lipscomb]

Post by Eric P.
Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.
- E

In any campaign setting.

Ever.

[Werebat]

Post by Simon Lipscomb

Post by Eric P.
Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.
- E

In any campaign setting.
Ever.

IT IS THE WORD OF LANDRU!

- Ron ^*^

[Eric P.]

Post by Werebat

Post by Simon Lipscomb

Post by Eric P.
Elves and Halflings are not interfertile.
- E

In any campaign setting.
Ever.

IT IS THE WORD OF LANDRU!
- Ron ^*^

Joy to you, friend...peace, and contentment. Are you of the Body? ;)

- E

[JdV]

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

I figured as much also, but that wasn't the thrust of my question. Nor
is it related to any possible fertility matchups between the two races.

I just wanted to know the backstory. Is this a core race for his
Homebrew world? Is it an aberration like the elfling from Darksun? Or
perhaps they havesome other explanation. I am just curious.

And for the record, Elves and Halflings can mate if they so choose.
Remember, This is Dungeons and Dragons! Not real people, we can do
what we want. Feel free to disagree.

[Eric P.]

Post by JdV

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

I figured as much also, but that wasn't the thrust of my question. Nor
is it related to any possible fertility matchups between the two races.
I just wanted to know the backstory. Is this a core race for his
Homebrew world? Is it an aberration like the elfling from Darksun? Or
perhaps they havesome other explanation. I am just curious.
And for the record, Elves and Halflings can mate if they so choose.
Remember, This is Dungeons and Dragons! Not real people, we can do
what we want. Feel free to disagree.

Well, yes...and you could rule that all swords are made of licorice, but
certain concepts might aught to be preserved.

Dark Sun 3.5 exists? You mean I don't have to rewrite everything? Please
shove me in the right direction for info!

Thanks,
Eric

[Werebat]

Post by Eric P.

Post by JdV

Post by Werebat
I figured he was trying to re-create the Tribe of One series in Dark Sun
3.5...
- Ron ^*^

I figured as much also, but that wasn't the thrust of my question. Nor
is it related to any possible fertility matchups between the two races.
I just wanted to know the backstory. Is this a core race for his
Homebrew world? Is it an aberration like the elfling from Darksun? Or
perhaps they havesome other explanation. I am just curious.
And for the record, Elves and Halflings can mate if they so choose.
Remember, This is Dungeons and Dragons! Not real people, we can do
what we want. Feel free to disagree.

Well, yes...and you could rule that all swords are made of licorice, but
certain concepts might aught to be preserved.
Dark Sun 3.5 exists? You mean I don't have to rewrite everything? Please
shove me in the right direction for info!
Thanks,
Eric

Well, there's the Burnt Sands of Athas website, but I don't agree with
everything they've written. For example, half-giants should really be
Large creatures, maybe just ported Hill Giants with a modification or
two... Sure, you can play one, but you (probably) wouldn't want to.
Better than that large/notlarge nonsense they play at in the psionics books.

Also, Thri-Kreen should be Large, dammit! Look at the great pics of
them from 2E! They're Large!

Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial bonus
to Jump.

- Ron ^*^

[Jasin Zujovic]

Post by Werebat
Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial bonus
to Jump.

Why is this? Is this specific to Dark Sun, or should gith be like that
in general?

And do you mean githyanki and githzerai, or gith pirates? (They're all
separate races, right?)

[Eric P.]

Post by Jasin Zujovic

Post by Werebat
Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial bonus
to Jump.

Why is this? Is this specific to Dark Sun, or should gith be like that
in general?
And do you mean githyanki and githzerai, or gith pirates? (They're all
separate races, right?)

Gith are not related to Githyanki or Githzerai. They are a race native
to Athas. That's IIRC, of course ;)

- E

[Werebat]

Post by Eric P.

Post by Jasin Zujovic

Post by Werebat
Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial bonus
to Jump.

Why is this? Is this specific to Dark Sun, or should gith be like that
in general?
And do you mean githyanki and githzerai, or gith pirates? (They're all
separate races, right?)

Gith are not related to Githyanki or Githzerai. They are a race native
to Athas. That's IIRC, of course ;)

Well, sorta. Gith are indeed native to Athas, but they aren't really
UNRELATED to the Githyanki. In fact they are Githyanki who got stranded
on Athas long ago and degenerated to a primitive state. This was helped
along by some kind of doomsday device that fried the brains of the
resident Githyanki population, leaving their descendants to (partially)
recover their minds with no real knowledge of the culture that came
before. Much of this is explained in the Dark Sun module, "Black Spine".

The Gith family tree starts with a forerunner race (humans?), who were
enslaved and altered by the Illithid. Of course, after the revolution,
the two main branches of Githyanki and Githzerai split. Soon after, the
Pirates of Gith began plying the Phlogiston, a separate race from the
Githyanki but derived from them. The degenerate Athasian Gith are
another offshoot of the Githyanki race.

I think I'm forgetting at least one other member of the family tree, too.

- Ron ^*^

[Werebat]

Post by Jasin Zujovic

Post by Werebat
Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial
bonus to Jump.

Why is this? Is this specific to Dark Sun, or should gith be like
that in general?

To answer this question -- the Gith (essentially the "Orcs of Dark Sun")
are hunched humanoid desert raiders who lack thumbs but use heavy-headed
spears that they attack with in chopping motions. In 2E, they had an
ability similar to Leap Attack that gave them a bonus to hit, or damage,
or both (I forget) when they leapt to attack. I think Leap Attack would
make them pretty cool in combat, combined with levels of Barbarian.

- Ron ^*^

[Eric P.]

Post by Werebat

Post by Eric P.

Post by Jasin Zujovic

Post by Werebat
Umm, and Gith should come with the Leap Attack feat and a racial bonus
to Jump.

Why is this? Is this specific to Dark Sun, or should gith be like that
in general?
And do you mean githyanki and githzerai, or gith pirates? (They're all
separate races, right?)

Gith are not related to Githyanki or Githzerai. They are a race native
to Athas. That's IIRC, of course ;)

Well, sorta. Gith are indeed native to Athas, but they aren't really
UNRELATED to the Githyanki. In fact they are Githyanki who got stranded
on Athas long ago and degenerated to a primitive state. This was helped
along by some kind of doomsday device that fried the brains of the
resident Githyanki population, leaving their descendants to (partially)
recover their minds with no real knowledge of the culture that came
before. Much of this is explained in the Dark Sun module, "Black Spine".
The Gith family tree starts with a forerunner race (humans?), who were
enslaved and altered by the Illithid. Of course, after the revolution,
the two main branches of Githyanki and Githzerai split. Soon after, the
Pirates of Gith began plying the Phlogiston, a separate race from the
Githyanki but derived from them. The degenerate Athasian Gith are
another offshoot of the Githyanki race.
I think I'm forgetting at least one other member of the family tree, too.
- Ron ^*^

Ahhh...I had a feeling there might be some connection, though I never
knew it. I ignore everything Spelljammer-related, but the background for
Gith of Athas as described above works for me.

Thanks!
Eric

[Jim Davies]

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

snip

There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

The elfling concept was originally inspired by a passage in National
Lampoon's Bored of the Ring (not in the actual story, just in the
fluff) where a sultry elf maiden seduces Frito to get the ring.

Beyond that, it's just the usual mix-and-match sort of stuff to add
variety. I've never read any Dark Sun stuff so it's nothing to do with
that.


--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[Justisaur]

Post by Jim Davies

Post by JdV
What's the purpose behind this?

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

snip
There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

Alright, I have to ask... A bladder on a stick?

- Justisaur

[a***@cox.net]

<snip>

Post by Justisaur

Post by Jim Davies
There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

Alright, I have to ask... A bladder on a stick?

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/sufism.htm

"the court jester or "fool" with his motley clothes, his jingling
bells, his bladder stick..."

http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?Word=bladder

"The fool's traditional attribute, an inflated pig's bladder tied to a
stick, was more of an annoyance than a lethal weapon."

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=fool

"...the role of the Fool in Morris Dancing is a playful one...His
instrument of choice is frequently a pig's bladder on a stick, which he
wields to keep both the dancers and the audience well-behaved."


Arivne

[Justisaur]

Post by a***@cox.net
<snip>

Post by Justisaur

Post by Jim Davies
There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

Alright, I have to ask... A bladder on a stick?

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/sufism.htm
"the court jester or "fool" with his motley clothes, his jingling
bells, his bladder stick..."
http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?Word=bladder
"The fool's traditional attribute, an inflated pig's bladder tied to a
stick, was more of an annoyance than a lethal weapon."
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=fool
"...the role of the Fool in Morris Dancing is a playful one...His
instrument of choice is frequently a pig's bladder on a stick, which he
wields to keep both the dancers and the audience well-behaved."

Er... I don't seem to be getting this. How exactly does one 'wield' a
bladder on a stick?

Is it like a pillow fight? Only with a disgusting bladder on the end
of a stick?

I'm getting queasy just thinking about it.

- Justisaur

[Noehl]

Post by Justisaur

Post by a***@cox.net
<snip>

Post by Justisaur

Post by Jim Davies
There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

Alright, I have to ask... A bladder on a stick?

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/sufism.htm
"the court jester or "fool" with his motley clothes, his jingling
bells, his bladder stick..."
http://www.oedilf.com/db/Lim.php?Word=bladder
"The fool's traditional attribute, an inflated pig's bladder tied to a
stick, was more of an annoyance than a lethal weapon."
http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=fool
"...the role of the Fool in Morris Dancing is a playful one...His
instrument of choice is frequently a pig's bladder on a stick, which he
wields to keep both the dancers and the audience well-behaved."

Er... I don't seem to be getting this. How exactly does one 'wield' a
bladder on a stick?
Is it like a pillow fight? Only with a disgusting bladder on the end
of a stick?
I'm getting queasy just thinking about it.
- Justisaur

Yes. Exactly what you are picturing in your mind. Well, almost.
The Bladder of a pig, washed, and rubbed in ashes, inflated with air and
tied on both ends. Can be used/played like a ball.
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Post by a***@cox.net
<snip>

Post by Justisaur

Post by Jim Davies
There was an elfling PC called Bimbo in a short-lived 1e campaign I
ran many years ago. He was a MU/thief armed with a bladder on a stick.
He used to go around annoying monsters with it.

Alright, I have to ask... A bladder on a stick?

http://www.nmhschool.org/tthornton/mehistorydatabase/sufism.htm
"the court jester or "fool" with his motley clothes, his jingling
bells, his bladder stick..."

[snips]

That's exactly it. Bimbo even had the costume.
Also in this campaign was Blitz, the gnome Glam Rock fighter in his
gold lamé platemail jumpsuit.

And there was I, trying to run it straight.


--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...

There's one for dwarves too.

[~consul]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

[Ubiquitous]

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?

I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

[~consul]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side, right? Of the 3
subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were talking about a half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

[J.O. Aho]

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side,
right? Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were
talking about a half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

In FR there is only one NPC that has this must unusual mix elf/dwarf and he
was the gardener in Myth Drannor. There is no special name for this "race", as
he is unique.


//Aho

[Ubiquitous]

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side, right?
Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were talking about a
half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

[David Klassen]

Post by Ubiquitous
I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

Hairfoots, Tallfellows, and Stouts are entirely halflings;
none of them is a halfling-something_else mix. According
to the (1st and 2nd) AD&D books, one could say that the
Stouts are a dwarf analog to Hairfoots, much like Fire
Giants are the dwarf analog to other giants. Tallfellows
are elf analogs to Hairfoots. But there has never been
anything offical that implied actual racial mixing.

[Eric P.]

Post by David Klassen

Post by Ubiquitous
I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

Hairfoots, Tallfellows, and Stouts are entirely halflings;
none of them is a halfling-something_else mix. According
to the (1st and 2nd) AD&D books, one could say that the
Stouts are a dwarf analog to Hairfoots, much like Fire
Giants are the dwarf analog to other giants. Tallfellows
are elf analogs to Hairfoots. But there has never been
anything offical that implied actual racial mixing.

That's because the rules state that Halflings don't breed with other
races. Of course, everything is subject to DM's preference...

- E

[J.O. Aho]

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Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side, right?
Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were talking about a
half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

And in where did you verify this?

[Ken Andrews]

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

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Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side,
right? Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were
talking about a half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

And in where did you verify this?

AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.

I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

[J.O. Aho]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

Actually, it would be the Tallfellow subset of 1/2ling...
There's one for dwarves too.

I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side,
right? Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were
talking about a half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

And in where did you verify this?

AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.


//Aho

[David Klassen]

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ken Andrews
AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.

That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by David Klassen

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ken Andrews
AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.

That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

Not analogues, halflings with elves and dwarves in their ancestry.

[David Klassen]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

Not analogues, halflings with elves and dwarves in their ancestry.

I couldn't find any cite for that---but then my 1e stuff is
well packed away. You have a cite?

[Ubiquitous]

Post by David Klassen

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

Not analogues, halflings with elves and dwarves in their ancestry.

I couldn't find any cite for that---but then my 1e stuff is
well packed away. You have a cite?

I only looked in the Monster Manual (both editions), but since they're
listed as subraces (much like half-elves and half-orcs are) and they
have the identical abilities of dwarves and elves (or nearly identical),
it seems logical to assume that these subtypes who live near their
respective race are the result of intermingling.

Roger Moore wrote an article about this in his series on PC races which
was reprinted in "The Best of Dragon #3" (I forgot the original issue).

[Ken Andrews]

Post by David Klassen

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ken Andrews
AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.

That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.

Tallfellow - Generally speak Elven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages. Greatly enjoy Elven company. Recognize secret doors on 1
in 1D6. +2 to surprise rolls in forest or wooded terrain.

Stout - Often speak Dwarven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages. Enjoy the company of dwarves, avoid the company of elves.
Infravision. Detect sloping passageways. Determine direction
underground. Use hammers and morningstars in combat.

[Eric P.]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ken Andrews
AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.

That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.
Tallfellow - Generally speak Elven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages. Greatly enjoy Elven company. Recognize secret doors on 1
in 1D6. +2 to surprise rolls in forest or wooded terrain.
Stout - Often speak Dwarven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages. Enjoy the company of dwarves, avoid the company of elves.
Infravision. Detect sloping passageways. Determine direction
underground. Use hammers and morningstars in combat.

Perhaps these are evolutionary traits. I side with those who reject the
mixed-blood explanation.

Farewell wherever you fare, till your eyries receive you at your
journey's end :)

- Eric

[J.O. Aho]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ken Andrews
AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Not a word in mine that they would be mix breeds, just that they had a few
similarities.

That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.
Tallfellow - Generally speak Elven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages.
Stout - Often speak Dwarven in addition to all normal Halfling
languages.

Most creatures of the AD&D worlds speaks the languages of those who live in
the same neighborhood and isn't any evidence of blood relations.

Post by Ken Andrews
Tallfellow - +2 to surprise rolls in forest or wooded terrain.

Quite common ability for woodland creatures, more like evolution.

Post by Ken Andrews
Stout - Detect sloping passageways. Determine direction
underground.

Quite common abilities for tunnel living creatures, can be found in gnomes too.


You have to come up with better evidence to back up your claims.

[David Klassen]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.

Co-evolution. Hairfoots grow up in and around humans; tallfellows
in and around elves; stouts in and around dwarves. I've found
nothing in the cannon that states they are crossbreeds.

[Ken Andrews]

Post by David Klassen

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.

Co-evolution. Hairfoots grow up in and around humans; tallfellows
in and around elves; stouts in and around dwarves. I've found
nothing in the cannon that states they are crossbreeds.

Did you light a match when you looked inside? It's dark in there.

The *canon* text says that they are such-and-such. It doesn't say that they
are crossbreeds.

What I said was "If they're analogues..., they're fantastically impressive
ones". My assumption is that they are not analogues, but rather have elven
or dwarven ancestors (further back than 3 generations). I am not saying
that they are the offspring of an elven or dwarven parent.

[Noehl]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.

Co-evolution. Hairfoots grow up in and around humans; tallfellows
in and around elves; stouts in and around dwarves. I've found
nothing in the cannon that states they are crossbreeds.

Did you light a match when you looked inside? It's dark in there.
The *canon* text says that they are such-and-such. It doesn't say that they
are crossbreeds.
What I said was "If they're analogues..., they're fantastically impressive
ones". My assumption is that they are not analogues, but rather have elven
or dwarven ancestors (further back than 3 generations). I am not saying
that they are the offspring of an elven or dwarven parent.

if it even was possible.
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Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by David Klassen
That's what I figured. They were halfling analogs, not genetic kin.

If they're analogues, with no genetic mixing somewhere back in the
past, they're fantastically impressive ones. They match superlatively
well what a Halfling/Dwarf or Halfling/Elf crossbreed would be like.

Co-evolution. Hairfoots grow up in and around humans; tallfellows
in and around elves; stouts in and around dwarves. I've found
nothing in the cannon that states they are crossbreeds.

Did you light a match when you looked inside? It's dark in there.
The *canon* text says that they are such-and-such. It doesn't say that they
are crossbreeds.
What I said was "If they're analogues..., they're fantastically impressive
ones". My assumption is that they are not analogues, but rather have elven
or dwarven ancestors (further back than 3 generations). I am not saying
that they are the offspring of an elven or dwarven parent.

In FR there are mentioned about half-elves that haven't had any new elven or
human human blood for 1000 years or maybe a bit more, but still they are
considered as half-breeds and not a independent race, so if there had been
some dwarven or elven blood in the halfling subraces, then it had been stated
in the description, in AD&D/D&D we have to see that this is a evolution thing
and not cross breeding.


//Aho

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Ken Andrews

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by ~consul
I don't recall the dwarven version. What's the name?

Stouts? Stoutfoot?
I'd have to look through my old gaming stuff to be sure.

Oh, I recall something like that, but that's still in halfling side,
right? Of the 3 subsets of halfling? I was thinking that you were
talking about a half-elf/half-dwarf mix.

I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

And in where did you verify this?

AD&D MM is most likely where he found it.
I'll look it up when I get home. Tallfellows were Halflings with elven
ancestry, Stouts were Halflings with Dwarven ancestry, and if I recall
correctly Hairfeet were those with neither.

Correct. Note that the subtypes have the racial traits of Elves and Dwarves
as well, so you get these 1/2ling subtypes, just like Elf and Humans
make an Elven subtype, not an entirely new creature.

[Jim Davies]

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
I verified that it's a Stout, which is a halfling/dwarf mix.
Tallfellow is a halfling/elf mix.

And in where did you verify this?

The MM1 does have those subtype of halfling, who like to associate
with elves/dwarves as applicable. But that's all it says. Dunno about
2e.

In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[David Klassen]

Post by Jim Davies
In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

Specifically, men of the great river. Harfoots lived in the hills
and mountains and were friendly with dwarves. Thus, in LotR
you have little people dwarf analogs, elf analogs, and human
analogs. Gygax clearly copied that, but change the names and
the analogies around. Nothing I recall in (A)D&D ever stated
that there was any cross-breeding with some baseline halfling
to make Tallfellows and Stouts out of Hairfoots.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by David Klassen

Post by Jim Davies
In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

Specifically, men of the great river. Harfoots lived in the hills
and mountains and were friendly with dwarves. Thus, in LotR
you have little people dwarf analogs, elf analogs, and human
analogs. Gygax clearly copied that, but change the names and
the analogies around. Nothing I recall in (A)D&D ever stated
that there was any cross-breeding with some baseline halfling
to make Tallfellows and Stouts out of Hairfoots.

If they have the ability of the elves and dwarves, it seems to indicate
blood ties to the other races. Roger Moore conjectured as much in his
article on Halflings from Dragon 70-something.

[J.O. Aho]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by David Klassen

Post by Jim Davies
In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

Specifically, men of the great river. Harfoots lived in the hills
and mountains and were friendly with dwarves. Thus, in LotR
you have little people dwarf analogs, elf analogs, and human
analogs. Gygax clearly copied that, but change the names and
the analogies around. Nothing I recall in (A)D&D ever stated
that there was any cross-breeding with some baseline halfling
to make Tallfellows and Stouts out of Hairfoots.

If they have the ability of the elves and dwarves, it seems to indicate
blood ties to the other races. Roger Moore conjectured as much in his
article on Halflings from Dragon 70-something.

So it's just the blood ties that both Africans and Australian aboriginal are
dark skinned and no blood relations between Europeans with the Africans?

Just that most woodland creatures has the same type of abilities don't make
them automatically related with each other, I think even fantasy worlds are
bound by Darwin, even if they have magical creatures.
What about Ondonti, so they would be some kind of halfbreed between human and
Orc, but aren't half-orcs, or is it just Orcs who have changed by it's
environment?


//Aho

[Ubiquitous]

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by David Klassen

Post by Jim Davies
In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

Specifically, men of the great river. Harfoots lived in the hills
and mountains and were friendly with dwarves. Thus, in LotR
you have little people dwarf analogs, elf analogs, and human
analogs. Gygax clearly copied that, but change the names and
the analogies around. Nothing I recall in (A)D&D ever stated
that there was any cross-breeding with some baseline halfling
to make Tallfellows and Stouts out of Hairfoots.

If they have the ability of the elves and dwarves, it seems to indicate
blood ties to the other races. Roger Moore conjectured as much in his
article on Halflings from Dragon 70-something.

So it's just the blood ties that both Africans and Australian aboriginal are
dark skinned and no blood relations between Europeans with the Africans?

In English, please.

Post by J.O. Aho
Just that most woodland creatures has the same type of abilities don't make
them automatically related with each other,

Examples, please?

Post by J.O. Aho
I think even fantasy worlds are bound by Darwin, even if they have magical
creatures.

Not if they have "real" gods running around.

Post by J.O. Aho
What about Ondonti, so they would be some kind of halfbreed between human and
Orc, but aren't half-orcs, or is it just Orcs who have changed by it's
environment?

What's an "Ondonti"?

[J.O. Aho]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by David Klassen

Post by Jim Davies
In LOTR the Fallohides (eg Tooks) were taller than other hobbits,
liked trees and woodlands and got on well with elves and ISTR were
rumoured to have some elven blood.. Conversely the Stoors were short
and broad but had nothing dwarvish about them. They were friendly with
Men.

Specifically, men of the great river. Harfoots lived in the hills
and mountains and were friendly with dwarves. Thus, in LotR
you have little people dwarf analogs, elf analogs, and human
analogs. Gygax clearly copied that, but change the names and
the analogies around. Nothing I recall in (A)D&D ever stated
that there was any cross-breeding with some baseline halfling
to make Tallfellows and Stouts out of Hairfoots.

If they have the ability of the elves and dwarves, it seems to indicate
blood ties to the other races. Roger Moore conjectured as much in his
article on Halflings from Dragon 70-something.

So it's just the blood ties that both Africans and Australian aboriginal are
dark skinned and no blood relations between Europeans with the Africans?

In English, please.

That black Africans and Australian aboriginal have dark skin color for they
have a common ancestor, while none of them are related to white Europeans as
they are pale skinned and therefore can't be related to the dark skinned?

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho
Just that most woodland creatures has the same type of abilities don't make
them automatically related with each other,

Examples, please?

Night vision, skill in speaking woodland languages, bow bonus and so on...

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho
What about Ondonti, so they would be some kind of halfbreed between human and
Orc, but aren't half-orcs, or is it just Orcs who have changed by it's
environment?

What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your standards it
would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and Orcs.

[Ubiquitous]

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your standards it
would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and Orcs.

No, that would be a non-Barbarian 1/2 Orc.

[J.O. Aho]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your standards it
would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and Orcs.

No, that would be a non-Barbarian 1/2 Orc.

So orcs are just barbarian 1/2 humans?

[Some Guy]

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your standards it
would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and Orcs.

No, that would be a non-Barbarian 1/2 Orc.

[troll]

I thought crossing humans and orcs resulted in Republicans.

[/troll]

[EvilBill]

Post by Some Guy

Post by Ubiquitous

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your
standards it would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and
Orcs.

No, that would be a non-Barbarian 1/2 Orc.

[troll]
I thought crossing humans and orcs resulted in Republicans.
[/troll]

Nah, Republicans are what you get when you cross kobolds with orcs.
Cross humans with orcs and you get Micro$oft. ;)

[Justisaur]

Post by EvilBill

Post by Some Guy

says...

Post by J.O. Aho

Post by Ubiquitous
What's an "Ondonti"?

According to the authors a civilized version of Orcs, but by your
standards it would be some kind of halfbreed between humans and
Orcs.

No, that would be a non-Barbarian 1/2 Orc.

[troll]
I thought crossing humans and orcs resulted in Republicans.
[/troll]

Nah, Republicans are what you get when you cross kobolds with orcs.
Cross humans with orcs and you get Micro$oft. ;)

No, no, that's gnomes & orcs. Humans and orcs are just sports stars.

- Justisaur

[Jim Davies]

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.

DWARFLINGS
* +2 Constitution, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature, a dwarfling gains a +1 size bonus to
Armor Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on
Hide checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her
lifting and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium
character.
* Dwarfling base land speed is 20 feet. However, dwarflings can move
at this speed even when wearing medium or heavy armor or when carrying
a medium or heavy load (unlike other creatures, whose speed is reduced
in such situations).
* Low-Light Vision: A dwarfling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* Stonecunning: This ability grants a dwarfling a +2 racial bonus on
Search checks to notice unusual stonework, such as sliding walls,
stonework traps, new construction (even when built to match the old),
unsafe stone surfaces, shaky stone ceilings, and the like. Something
that isn't stone but that is disguised as stone also counts as unusual
stonework. A dwarfling does not have the other dwarven Stonecunning
abilities.
* +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search and Move Silently checks.
* +1 racial bonus on all saving throws.
* +2 morale bonus on saving throws against fear: This bonus stacks
with the dwarfling's +1 bonus on saving throws in general.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with crossbows
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Dwarf or Halfling. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Orc and Undercommon.
* Favored Class: Ranger. A multiclass dwarfling's ranger class does
not count when determining whether she takes an experience point
penalty for multiclassing.



--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[Rast]

Post by Jim Davies

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.
DWARFLINGS
* +2 Constitution, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature,

Wait.

I suddenly realized where Gnomes came from.

[The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel]

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Post by Jim Davies

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.
DWARFLINGS
* +2 Constitution, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature,

Wait.
I suddenly realized where Gnomes came from.

This was sorta obvious as far back as 1978:
3 feet tall. Bearded. Clannish. Live in burrows like Halflings.
How they got to be such good Illusionsts, when, at the time, neither
Dwarves nor Halfings could be arcane spellcasters, I'm not sure.

--
C.

[~consul]

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Post by Rast

Post by Jim Davies

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.
DWARFLINGS
* +2 Constitution, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature,

Wait.
I suddenly realized where Gnomes came from.

3 feet tall. Bearded. Clannish. Live in burrows like Halflings.
How they got to be such good Illusionsts, when, at the time, neither
Dwarves nor Halfings could be arcane spellcasters, I'm not sure.

They kicked out the arcane folks, then genetics made it breed true?

[Jim Davies]

Post by Rast

Post by Jim Davies

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.
DWARFLINGS
* +2 Constitution, -2 Strength.
* Small: As a Small creature,

Wait.
I suddenly realized where Gnomes came from.

That was my first reaction, but nothing much else matches. Maybe the
semi-undergroundness.

--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[Ubiquitous]

Post by Jim Davies

Post by Ubiquitous
There's one for dwarves too.

OK. The Dwarfling: half dwarf, quarter ling.
[ dwarf-like abilities bobbitted ]

Which are also possessed by Stout Halflings...

[Jim Davies]

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

And so it continues:

GOBLINGS
* +2 Dexterity, -2 Strength., -2 Charisma
* Small: As a Small creature, a gobling gains a +1 size bonus to Armor
Class, a +1 size bonus on attack rolls, and a +4 size bonus on Hide
checks, but she uses smaller weapons than humans use, and her lifting
and carrying limits are three-quarters of those of a Medium character.
* Gobling base land speed is 30 feet.
* Low-Light Vision: A gobling can see twice as far as a human in
starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor
illumination. She retains the ability to distinguish color and detail
under these conditions.
* +4 racial bonus on Move Silently checks.
* +2 racial bonus on Ride and Listen checks.
* +1 racial bonus on all saving throws.
* +1 racial bonus on attack rolls with all thrown and missile weapons.
* Automatic Languages: Common and either Halfling or Goblin. Bonus
Languages: Dwarven, Elven, Gnome, Goblin, Halfling and Orc.
* Favored Class: Rogue. A multiclass gobling's rogue class does not
count when determining whether she takes an experience point penalty
for multiclassing.



--
Jim or Sarah Davies, but probably Jim

D&D and Star Fleet Battles stuff on http://www.aaargh.org

[The Rev. Dr. Lt. Chaos Israel]

Post by Jim Davies

Post by Jim Davies
An Elfling is a half-elf, half-halfling.

GOBLINGS

Presumably, when Bullroarer Took decapitaed King Golfimbul*, his army
just said "fuckit", and settled in an out of the way corner of the
Shire.

"I don't have a problem with those Gobbs. 'Eck, some of my best
farmhands are Gobbs. I jus' don't want me daughter marryin' one of
'em."--Arbogast "Artie" Brandybuck.

*(Thus inventing the game of golf. Look it up.)

--
C.