Rump Ranger
2005-01-07 14:43:26 UTC
Has anyone here bothered to put out some well thought out stats as to
major characters of Middle-Earth? As a purely mental experiment of
course. What would you say would be the stats of, say Sauron or the
Ringwraiths?
IMO, Gandalf would be an Outsider with a Celestial Template and several
levels of bard added (I know he's a wizard but Tolkien wasn't using D&D
classes when he wrote about Gandalf. He fits bard pretty well: he can
heal, cast evocations, can inspire people, and is a loremaster). Then
again, we never really see Gandalf's true power. His job was to
inspire the peoples of ME to fight for themselves. Outsider HD would be
used to give him the high BAB he has (they fight as well as fighters
and Gandalf fought as well as anyone). How many HD he has is beyond me
(I'd say epic levels).
Aragorn- no brainer as a fighter with mostly ranger levels. Something
along the lines of a fighter 4 (for weapon specialization) and like
12-16 levels of ranger. Throw in the leadership feat and include a
sub-race for humans (Numenoreans) and I'd say you can model him well.
Gimli- another no brainer, fighter who specialized in axes with a level
near 20. He seems pretty epic from the books.
Legolas- he's tough because Tolkien elves aren't D&D elves but he'd no
doubt be a fighter (not an arcane archer) with maxed out archery skills
and around 20th level or so (he's nearly equal to Aragorn and Gimli).
Bilbo Baggins- a couple levels of commoner (because at the beginning of
the Hobbit he doesn't know much), a few levels of rogue (for his
adventures with the dwarves) and then expert with lots of ranks in
poetry and knowledge (I won't classify him as a bard because he doesn't
cast spells). Power level's hard to tell.
Frodo Baggins- starts off with expert levels (he's a cut above normal
hobbits because he lived with Bilbo and learned a lot from him). Only
problem is what he becomes when he goes on his journey. He doesn't
seem to fit rogue nor does he seem to fit fighter. Maybe more expert
levels?
Samwise- starts off as commoner with gardening maxed out and gains a
few levels of fighter. He's capable of holding his own against Shelob
which has to count for something.
Merry and Pippen- both start as commoners and easily become fighters as
Merry becomes a Rider of the Rohirrim and Pippen becomes a knight of
Gondor.
Saruman is simliar to Gandalf with a permanent charm effect on his
voice and enchanter levels. An outsider all the way.
Rhadagast, although little talked about, is also an Istari. Sounds
like he has druid levels (Gandalf said he was well versed in herbs,
shapes, and in making friends with beasts).
Boromir, Imrahil, Theoden, and Eomer- mid to high level fighters
Faramir is a tough one to classify. Possible ranger (because of his
knowledge of the woods of Ithilien), fighter (his great skill), or a
paladin (because he was so good and people saw it despite the movies
making him out to be a prick).
I'm at a loss for Sauron (who's pretty a damn powerful outsider in any
case). What about Elrond or Galadriel?
What say you all?
major characters of Middle-Earth? As a purely mental experiment of
course. What would you say would be the stats of, say Sauron or the
Ringwraiths?
IMO, Gandalf would be an Outsider with a Celestial Template and several
levels of bard added (I know he's a wizard but Tolkien wasn't using D&D
classes when he wrote about Gandalf. He fits bard pretty well: he can
heal, cast evocations, can inspire people, and is a loremaster). Then
again, we never really see Gandalf's true power. His job was to
inspire the peoples of ME to fight for themselves. Outsider HD would be
used to give him the high BAB he has (they fight as well as fighters
and Gandalf fought as well as anyone). How many HD he has is beyond me
(I'd say epic levels).
Aragorn- no brainer as a fighter with mostly ranger levels. Something
along the lines of a fighter 4 (for weapon specialization) and like
12-16 levels of ranger. Throw in the leadership feat and include a
sub-race for humans (Numenoreans) and I'd say you can model him well.
Gimli- another no brainer, fighter who specialized in axes with a level
near 20. He seems pretty epic from the books.
Legolas- he's tough because Tolkien elves aren't D&D elves but he'd no
doubt be a fighter (not an arcane archer) with maxed out archery skills
and around 20th level or so (he's nearly equal to Aragorn and Gimli).
Bilbo Baggins- a couple levels of commoner (because at the beginning of
the Hobbit he doesn't know much), a few levels of rogue (for his
adventures with the dwarves) and then expert with lots of ranks in
poetry and knowledge (I won't classify him as a bard because he doesn't
cast spells). Power level's hard to tell.
Frodo Baggins- starts off with expert levels (he's a cut above normal
hobbits because he lived with Bilbo and learned a lot from him). Only
problem is what he becomes when he goes on his journey. He doesn't
seem to fit rogue nor does he seem to fit fighter. Maybe more expert
levels?
Samwise- starts off as commoner with gardening maxed out and gains a
few levels of fighter. He's capable of holding his own against Shelob
which has to count for something.
Merry and Pippen- both start as commoners and easily become fighters as
Merry becomes a Rider of the Rohirrim and Pippen becomes a knight of
Gondor.
Saruman is simliar to Gandalf with a permanent charm effect on his
voice and enchanter levels. An outsider all the way.
Rhadagast, although little talked about, is also an Istari. Sounds
like he has druid levels (Gandalf said he was well versed in herbs,
shapes, and in making friends with beasts).
Boromir, Imrahil, Theoden, and Eomer- mid to high level fighters
Faramir is a tough one to classify. Possible ranger (because of his
knowledge of the woods of Ithilien), fighter (his great skill), or a
paladin (because he was so good and people saw it despite the movies
making him out to be a prick).
I'm at a loss for Sauron (who's pretty a damn powerful outsider in any
case). What about Elrond or Galadriel?
What say you all?