Campaign Cartographer 3+

Post by JG
You know, I remember the times when CC was this kind of software that
was just too expensive to really consider buying. In my mind this stuff
is still in the hundreds of Euros. And then ProFantasy sold it for like
15 bucks during the pandemic, and I got it there, and later Humble
Bundle offered it for even cheaper with addons
(https://www.humblebundle.com/software/maps-extravaganza-encore-software?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=tile_index_7
which is still going).
And I... am a bit disappointed. I expected a bit more than what I am
getting there. It's basically a CAD program for making fantasy maps, but
it also is difficult to use and needs a plethora of additional assets to
make it usable. In fact if I didn't buy that bundle I would have felt
like it was barely usable (they don't advertise the fact they have some
additional free downloads on their website all that well, they are
hidden as a free sampler of their subscription service).
Anybody using it for anything in their games?

The vanilla package was certainly good enough to create an overland map
of the northwest regions of my campaign.

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It is absolutely ridiculous how unintuitive the interface is, though. I
got on the FB group and got some excellent tips, like auto arranging
symbols that are out of order. It's very powerful if you are willing to
do the backflips to get results out of it.

But, if you don't know the secrets, it's very hard to get good results.

I use Dungeon Painter Studio for dungeons though. Easier to use, exports
to Roll20 excellently, lots of free assets available through Steam
workshop. CC3+ seems like it's designed better for overland and town
mapping.

I'd say CC3+ is a bit overrated, and the assets and the annuals are just
a good way to sink a lot of money for what seems like very little return.

That said, I like it for overland and town mapping (with City Creator 3
add-on). Get on the Facebook group if you have Facebook. There's a
vibrant and helpful community there.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

2021-01-06 11:04:46 UTC

Post by Zaghadka
Dungeon Painter Studio

hmm... it's early access. but I wonder if I actually need that one.

I think for dungeons I have different other stuff. I bought CC3 mostly
for Overland and City maps. I wanted to make an overview map of the
beginner sandbox I am piecing together lately.
Lately most of my games have been with beginners who really wanted to
see how this RPG stuff actually works, and mostly over discord. And I
expect my sons will want to try that out as well once they are old enough.

Zaghadka

2021-01-07 12:45:43 UTC

Post by Zaghadka
Dungeon Painter Studio

hmm... it's early access. but I wonder if I actually need that one.
I think for dungeons I have different other stuff. I bought CC3 mostly
for Overland and City maps. I wanted to make an overview map of the
beginner sandbox I am piecing together lately.
Lately most of my games have been with beginners who really wanted to
see how this RPG stuff actually works, and mostly over discord. And I
expect my sons will want to try that out as well once they are old enough.

Notes on DPS:

Early access in this case means that the interface is crude and not well
designed. It's all perfectly functional and I've created several Roll20
maps with it (it will export to a native 70x70 pixel square format), but
it's hobbyist documented and inelegant. I've never had a crash.

It's also fairly useless without downloading free assets from the Steam
Workshop. The entire collection of Forgotten Adventures (FA) sets is a
good place to start.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

JimP

2021-01-07 16:55:06 UTC

Post by Zaghadka

Post by Zaghadka
Dungeon Painter Studio

hmm... it's early access. but I wonder if I actually need that one.
I think for dungeons I have different other stuff. I bought CC3 mostly
for Overland and City maps. I wanted to make an overview map of the
beginner sandbox I am piecing together lately.
Lately most of my games have been with beginners who really wanted to
see how this RPG stuff actually works, and mostly over discord. And I
expect my sons will want to try that out as well once they are old enough.

Early access in this case means that the interface is crude and not well
designed. It's all perfectly functional and I've created several Roll20
maps with it (it will export to a native 70x70 pixel square format), but
it's hobbyist documented and inelegant. I've never had a crash.
It's also fairly useless without downloading free assets from the Steam
Workshop. The entire collection of Forgotten Adventures (FA) sets is a
good place to start.

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.

There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

--
Jim

Zaghadka

2021-01-07 18:19:18 UTC

Post by JimP

Post by Zaghadka

Post by Zaghadka
Dungeon Painter Studio

hmm... it's early access. but I wonder if I actually need that one.
I think for dungeons I have different other stuff. I bought CC3 mostly
for Overland and City maps. I wanted to make an overview map of the
beginner sandbox I am piecing together lately.
Lately most of my games have been with beginners who really wanted to
see how this RPG stuff actually works, and mostly over discord. And I
expect my sons will want to try that out as well once they are old enough.

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a Steam thing.

Thanks for the information.

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

JimP

2021-01-07 19:45:54 UTC

Post by Zaghadka
Dungeon Painter Studio

hmm... it's early access. but I wonder if I actually need that one.
I think for dungeons I have different other stuff. I bought CC3 mostly
for Overland and City maps. I wanted to make an overview map of the
beginner sandbox I am piecing together lately.
Lately most of my games have been with beginners who really wanted to
see how this RPG stuff actually works, and mostly over discord. And I
expect my sons will want to try that out as well once they are old enough.

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a Steam thing.
Thanks for the information.

You're welcome. Their official site is at: https://www.profantasy.com/

--
Jim

2021-01-07 21:08:00 UTC

Post by Zaghadka
Early access in this case means that the interface is crude and not well
designed. It's all perfectly functional and I've created several Roll20
maps with it (it will export to a native 70x70 pixel square format), but
it's hobbyist documented and inelegant. I've never had a crash.
It's also fairly useless without downloading free assets from the Steam
Workshop. The entire collection of Forgotten Adventures (FA) sets is a
good place to start.

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a Steam thing.
Thanks for the information.

You're welcome. Their official site is at: https://www.profantasy.com/

uhm... guys... I think you are talking at cross-purposes. One of you is
talking about Dungeon Painter Studio, the other about Campaign
Cartographer. DPS is on Steam, CC as far as I know isn't.

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-01-07 21:05:32 UTC

Post by Zaghadka
Early access in this case means that the interface is crude
and not well designed. It's all perfectly functional and
I've created several Roll20 maps with it (it will export to
a native 70x70 pixel square format), but it's hobbyist
documented and inelegant. I've never had a crash.
It's also fairly useless without downloading free assets
from the Steam Workshop. The entire collection of Forgotten
Adventures (FA) sets is a good place to start.

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never
downloaded anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the
software. Pdf updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a
Steam thing.
Thanks for the information.

https://www.profantasy.com/

uhm... guys... I think you are talking at cross-purposes. One of
you is talking about Dungeon Painter Studio, the other about
Campaign Cartographer. DPS is on Steam, CC as far as I know
isn't.

And as far as I can tell, DPS is *only* available on Steam.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Zaghadka

2021-01-08 13:19:13 UTC

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a Steam thing.
Thanks for the information.

You're welcome. Their official site is at: https://www.profantasy.com/

uhm... guys... I think you are talking at cross-purposes. One of you is
talking about Dungeon Painter Studio, the other about Campaign
Cartographer. DPS is on Steam, CC as far as I know isn't.

I have both. I guess it's easy to get confused. ;^)

--
Zag

No one ever said on their deathbed, 'Gee, I wish I had
spent more time alone with my computer.' ~Dan(i) Bunten

JimP

2021-01-08 20:35:49 UTC

Really ? I have turned out thousands of maps, and never downloaded
anything from Steam.
There is a Tome that covers many aspects of all of the software. Pdf
updates are free.

I got it from Steam. I presumed, incorrectly, that it was a Steam thing.
Thanks for the information.

You're welcome. Their official site is at: https://www.profantasy.com/

uhm... guys... I think you are talking at cross-purposes. One of you is
talking about Dungeon Painter Studio, the other about Campaign
Cartographer. DPS is on Steam, CC as far as I know isn't.

I have both. I guess it's easy to get confused. ;^)

Ah, I thought you were looking for more free stuff for CC3.

--
Jim

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-01-04 21:53:20 UTC

Post by JG
You know, I remember the times when CC was this kind of software
that was just too expensive to really consider buying. In my
mind this stuff is still in the hundreds of Euros.

It can be, if you pay full price and buy the entire package.

Post by JG
And then
ProFantasy sold it for like 15 bucks during the pandemic, and I
got it there, and later Humble Bundle offered it for even
cheaper with addons
(https://www.humblebundle.com/software/maps-extravaganza-encore-s
oftware?hmb_source=navbar&hmb_medium=product_tile&hmb_campaign=ti
le_index_7 which is still going).
And I... am a bit disappointed. I expected a bit more than what
I am getting there. It's basically a CAD program for making
fantasy maps,

It's very specialized for making maps. CAD programs do not normally
have sophisticated graphic effects (done with sheets in CC3+).

Post by JG
but it also is difficult to use

No disagreement on that. The user interface shows it's CAD
ancestry, which is very different than how most graphics programs
work. Once you get used to it, it's fast and efficient, but it's
not intuitive. The Profantasy forums and Facebook group are both
full of helpful people to master the intricicies, though.

Post by JG
and needs a
plethora of additional assets to make it usable. In fact if I
didn't buy that bundle I would have felt like it was barely
usable (they don't advertise the fact they have some additional
free downloads on their website all that well, they are hidden
as a free sampler of their subscription service).

You're not limited to using *only* their art assets. You can use
any standard graphics formats (though PNG works best, since JPEG
doesn't do transparent backgrounds). There's *tons* of art
collections floating around, some free, like Vintryi, which has an
installer specific to CC3+ available.

https://www.vintyri.org/vintyri/cc3p_addons.htm

Post by JG
Anybody using it for anything in their games?

Many people are, including me.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

2021-01-06 11:09:37 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
It can be, if you pay full price and buy the entire package.

yes, but I remember those times when even just the basic CC ran into the
hundreds. Also I got most of the basic addons thanks to the addons, just
Cosmographer is missing for my purposes.

But yes, they do have this Annual Subscription service and getting all
of those would easily take another 300 quid

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
You're not limited to using *only* their art assets. You can use
any standard graphics formats (though PNG works best, since JPEG
doesn't do transparent backgrounds). There's *tons* of art
collections floating around, some free, like Vintryi, which has an
installer specific to CC3+ available.
https://www.vintyri.org/vintyri/cc3p_addons.htm

yes, and installing them took ages but I do have them.

one thing I noticed is that someone updated the Mappa Harnica package
for making HarnWorld maps to CC3+. So I installed that as well. I do
like that setting as well.

http://theharniac.net/downloads/other_downloads.htm

JimP

2021-01-06 18:10:25 UTC

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
It can be, if you pay full price and buy the entire package.

yes, but I remember those times when even just the basic CC ran into the
hundreds. Also I got most of the basic addons thanks to the addons, just
Cosmographer is missing for my purposes.
But yes, they do have this Annual Subscription service and getting all
of those would easily take another 300 quid

Well, those are Annuals, different mapping styles. I have them all. I
bought the software piece meal. Not all at once.

They cut the price in half for the main program, and included for free
Schley mapping and symbols for dungeons.

I bought CC2 for about 30-50 dollars. Overland maps only.

But I have all of CC3+ now.

yes, and installing them took ages but I do have them.
one thing I noticed is that someone updated the Mappa Harnica package
for making HarnWorld maps to CC3+. So I installed that as well. I do
like that setting as well.
http://theharniac.net/downloads/other_downloads.htm

There are also Dundjinni assets that have been converted for CC3+.
Check the Vintryi site.

--
Jim

JimP

2021-01-06 18:19:50 UTC

Post by JimP

Post by Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha
It can be, if you pay full price and buy the entire package.

yes, but I remember those times when even just the basic CC ran into the
hundreds. Also I got most of the basic addons thanks to the addons, just
Cosmographer is missing for my purposes.
But yes, they do have this Annual Subscription service and getting all
of those would easily take another 300 quid

Well, those are Annuals, different mapping styles. I have them all. I
bought the software piece meal. Not all at once.
They cut the price in half for the main program, and included for free
Schley mapping and symbols for dungeons.
I bought CC2 for about 30-50 dollars. Overland maps only.
But I have all of CC3+ now.

yes, and installing them took ages but I do have them.
one thing I noticed is that someone updated the Mappa Harnica package
for making HarnWorld maps to CC3+. So I installed that as well. I do
like that setting as well.
http://theharniac.net/downloads/other_downloads.htm

There are also Dundjinni assets that have been converted for CC3+.
Check the Vintryi site.

Folowing up to myself; here is a page on the official forums of all
the free stuff.

https://forum.profantasy.com/discussion/10443/free-symbols-artwork

--
Jim

JimP

2021-01-05 16:20:25 UTC

I have drawn over 5,000 maps with their software over the past 15 or
16 years.

http://crestofastar.drivein-jim.net/

Their official forums:
https://forum.profantasy.com/

It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the tutorials.

--
Jim

Keith J Davies

2021-03-09 00:39:43 UTC

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-03-09 15:24:03 UTC

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the
tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning
curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

it is a bit more of a learning cliff. Scaling it requires special
equipment, unless one is already an expert.
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

JimP

2021-03-09 19:57:10 UTC

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:24:03 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the
tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning
curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

it is a bit more of a learning cliff. Scaling it requires special
equipment, unless one is already an expert.

There are tutorials, some text and some on youtube. Its based on
FastCAD, it isn't a paint program.

Over the past 16 years I have made over five thousand maps. So it is
learnable.

I went from knowing only paper, pencil, and ruler, to making thousands
of maps. You can to, if you try.

--
Jim

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-03-09 19:59:54 UTC

Post by JimP
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:24:03 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the
tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning
curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

it is a bit more of a learning cliff. Scaling it requires
special equipment, unless one is already an expert.

There are tutorials, some text and some on youtube. Its based on
FastCAD, it isn't a paint program.

No, it's a CAD program, and an early one. (Or, at least, the
interface carries the legacy of an early one.)

Post by JimP
Over the past 16 years I have made over five thousand maps. So
it is learnable.
I went from knowing only paper, pencil, and ruler, to making
thousands of maps. You can to, if you try.

When I bought it, a couple of years ago, I bought the entire
package. There are parts of it I will *never* use, but other parts
are quite useful. I keep the annual subscription up to date, too.
Only thing I've passed on is the updated Dioramas and the token
colletions (because I don't use pog tokens).
--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

JimP

2021-03-10 16:28:00 UTC

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 12:59:54 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

Post by JimP
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:24:03 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the
tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning
curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

it is a bit more of a learning cliff. Scaling it requires
special equipment, unless one is already an expert.

There are tutorials, some text and some on youtube. Its based on
FastCAD, it isn't a paint program.

No, it's a CAD program, and an early one. (Or, at least, the
interface carries the legacy of an early one.)

Post by JimP
Over the past 16 years I have made over five thousand maps. So
it is learnable.
I went from knowing only paper, pencil, and ruler, to making
thousands of maps. You can to, if you try.

If you want to learn how to use those other bits, you can always stop
by the official forums and post questions.

I never thought I would use Cosmographer, as an example, but I did
eventually.

https://forum.profantasy.com/

Yeah, I have Dioramas, but I don't think I'll be using it.

--
Jim

Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha

2021-03-10 16:13:14 UTC

Post by JimP
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 12:59:54 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by JimP
On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 08:24:03 -0700, Jibini Kula Tumbili

Post by JimP
It has a learning curve like all software. Go through the
tutorials.

Like all software, [CC3] has a learning curve. This learning
curve is not like the learning curve of other software... :)

it is a bit more of a learning cliff. Scaling it requires
special equipment, unless one is already an expert.

There are tutorials, some text and some on youtube. Its based
on FastCAD, it isn't a paint program.

No, it's a CAD program, and an early one. (Or, at least, the
interface carries the legacy of an early one.)

Post by JimP
Over the past 16 years I have made over five thousand maps. So
it is learnable.
I went from knowing only paper, pencil, and ruler, to making
thousands of maps. You can to, if you try.

If you want to learn how to use those other bits, you can always
stop by the official forums and post questions.

I check out the forums every day, and post questions as needed. It
isn't a matter of not being able to figure stuff out. There's some
parts I have no use for. Dioramas, for instance, are not useful
when you do not use any sort of physical maps, only VTTs. There
isn't much that I'd rule out the possibility of ever using, though.

Post by JimP
I never thought I would use Cosmographer, as an example, but I
did eventually.
https://forum.profantasy.com/
Yeah, I have Dioramas, but I don't think I'll be using it.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lafe

2021-08-21 06:25:40 UTC