3.5 half-ogre template in dragon magazine

[James Honaker]

I recall seeing a 3.5 half-ogre template in dragon magazine some
months back. I'm trying to convert my 3.0 half-ogre to 3.5. In
addition to some feats not being available in 3.5 (extra rage for
barbarians, or roll with it for monstrous characters), the half-ogre
template in dragon was different. I think it had a +2 natural armor
bonus instead of +4. I'm not sure what else might have been
different.

Can anyone point me towards which issue had the template? I've
glanced through but haven't been able to find it.

Thanks,
James

[Simon Hain]

Post by James Honaker
Can anyone point me towards which issue had the template? I've
glanced through but haven't been able to find it.

take a look at crystalkeep.com, they have it listed.
but also note that there is an half-ogre race in savage species.

gs
simon

[freakybaby]

Post by James Honaker
I recall seeing a 3.5 half-ogre template in dragon magazine some
months back. I'm trying to convert my 3.0 half-ogre to 3.5. In
addition to some feats not being available in 3.5 (extra rage for
barbarians, or roll with it for monstrous characters), the half-ogre
template in dragon was different. I think it had a +2 natural armor
bonus instead of +4. I'm not sure what else might have been
different.

Who ays those feats are not available?

Doyourself a huge favour and stick with the Half-orge in Savage Speices.

Post by James Honaker
Can anyone point me towards which issue had the template? I've
glanced through but haven't been able to find it.
Thanks,
James

[Malachias Invictus]

Post by freakybaby

Post by James Honaker
I recall seeing a 3.5 half-ogre template in dragon magazine some
months back. I'm trying to convert my 3.0 half-ogre to 3.5. In
addition to some feats not being available in 3.5 (extra rage for
barbarians, or roll with it for monstrous characters), the half-ogre
template in dragon was different. I think it had a +2 natural armor
bonus instead of +4. I'm not sure what else might have been
different.

<piggybacking>

The template was definitely different. For one, it is a template, rather
than a race. For another, all the templates from that issue include the
actual stat bonuses from the size increase (which makes them pretty damned
powerful, probably *too* powerful for a mere +1 LA).

Post by freakybaby
Who ays those feats are not available?

That is what I was thinking. Unless they have been replaced or errata'd out
of existance, they should still be good. Roll With Blow is hugely powerful,
so I could understand a GM not allowing it, though.

Post by freakybaby
Doyourself a huge favour and stick with the Half-orge in Savage Speices.

I think you could go with either. I like the one from Dragon, because it is
a template. I might bump it the LA to +2, though.

[Christopher Adams]

Post by Malachias Invictus

Post by freakybaby
Doyourself a huge favour and stick with the Half-orge in Savage Speices.

I think you could go with either. I like the one from Dragon, because
it is a template. I might bump it the LA to +2, though.

At least. The half-minotaur is under-adjusted, too.

It's a little tiresome when Dragon presents a *totally* different concept of
balance than, say, the majority of the good d20 products out there. Their
werecreature class article was broken, too - those classes didn't even produce
the lycanthropes from the Monster Manual!

[Tetsubo]

Post by Christopher Adams

Post by Malachias Invictus

Post by freakybaby
Doyourself a huge favour and stick with the Half-orge in Savage Speices.

I think you could go with either. I like the one from Dragon, because
it is a template. I might bump it the LA to +2, though.

At least. The half-minotaur is under-adjusted, too.
It's a little tiresome when Dragon presents a *totally* different concept of
balance than, say, the majority of the good d20 products out there. Their
werecreature class article was broken, too - those classes didn't even produce
the lycanthropes from the Monster Manual!

I have to agree that the self-inconsistancy displayed in current D&D
is annoying. You'd think that say an EDITOR might glance at something
before it went to print...

[David Prokopetz]

Post by Tetsubo

Post by Christopher Adams

Post by Malachias Invictus

Post by freakybaby
Doyourself a huge favour and stick with the Half-orge in Savage Speices.

I think you could go with either. I like the one from Dragon, because
it is a template. I might bump it the LA to +2, though.

At least. The half-minotaur is under-adjusted, too.
It's a little tiresome when Dragon presents a *totally* different concept of
balance than, say, the majority of the good d20 products out there. Their
werecreature class article was broken, too - those classes didn't even produce
the lycanthropes from the Monster Manual!

I have to agree that the self-inconsistancy displayed in current D&D
is annoying. You'd think that say an EDITOR might glance at something
before it went to print...

Even in its current state, it's better than most RPGs out there. Hell, it's
better than previous editions, tho' that doesn't count for much. ;)

- David Prokopetz.

[Arivne]

Post by James Honaker
I recall seeing a 3.5 half-ogre template in dragon magazine some
months back. I'm trying to convert my 3.0 half-ogre to 3.5. <snip>
Can anyone point me towards which issue had the template? I've
glanced through but haven't been able to find it.

It was Dragon #313, pp. 95-96.


Arivne