Discussion:
Any 3.5 Bear races?
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Tetsubo
2005-12-27 18:49:07 UTC
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Christopher Adams
2005-12-27 21:59:03 UTC
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I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
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ASAP
2005-12-27 22:11:07 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
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Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
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The question is whether it's pathological for a dropped egg to fall.
-------
Nothing says gritty fantasy like a whacky leprechaun knifing you in the junk.
-------
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Christopher Adams
2005-12-27 22:31:12 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.

That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the Warcraft Roleplaying Game
contains statistics for the bearlike furbolg race. I'll do you a favour and
summarise them:

+2 Strength, +2 Constitution.
Large size.
30-foot movement.
Natural weapons: Claws 1d6, bite 1d8, slam 1d6.
+2 racial bonus to Knowledge (nature) and Survival. All furbolgs have these as
class skills.
+2 natural armour bonus.
Favoured class: Fighter.
Level Adjustment: +1

So there you go. I have no idea at all whether this is balanced or not.
--
Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
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The question is whether it's pathological for a dropped egg to fall.
-------
Nothing says gritty fantasy like a whacky leprechaun knifing you in the junk.
-------
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
Werebat
2005-12-27 23:05:31 UTC
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Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
Tetsubo
2005-12-28 02:32:33 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in
Oriental Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten
Realms, Greyhawk, or Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike
race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
I loved that setting. Hated the rules but loved that setting. And
the artwork was just beautiful. The Bronth rocked. :)
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Werebat
2005-12-28 04:58:30 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in
Oriental Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten
Realms, Greyhawk, or Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike
race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
I loved that setting. Hated the rules but loved that setting. And the
artwork was just beautiful. The Bronth rocked. :)
Yes they did. Did you play the CRPG? It was pretty good, although I
never finished it and it won't work on newer machines. The soundtrack
works right off the CD and has some decent theme music for games on it.

I never saw the rules, but I also thought the setting had some very cool
concepts. Could be retooled with d20 rules, I think. Psionics,
Moreaus, Aliens, etc.

What were the races? Human, Muadra, and maybe Trarch(?) were humanoids,
the Shantha were the eyeless native (psionic) aliens, the Thriddle and,
um, those Githyanki looking dudes and weird bugmen and goatmen were
other aliens... The Iscin races (Moreaus) were Woffen (wolf), Crugar
(mountain lion), and Bronth (bear)... I think there were Iscin toad
people and lion people too, as well as a more civilized offshoot of the
Crugar.

- Ron ^*^
Tetsubo
2005-12-28 11:35:40 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Post by Tetsubo
Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in
Oriental Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten
Realms, Greyhawk, or Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike
race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
I loved that setting. Hated the rules but loved that setting. And
the artwork was just beautiful. The Bronth rocked. :)
Yes they did. Did you play the CRPG? It was pretty good, although I
never finished it and it won't work on newer machines. The soundtrack
works right off the CD and has some decent theme music for games on it.
I never even knew there was a CRPG for Skyrealms... so no.
Post by Werebat
I never saw the rules, but I also thought the setting had some very
cool concepts. Could be retooled with d20 rules, I think. Psionics,
Moreaus, Aliens, etc.
I own the books. I think I might have a complete set of the entire
game but I'm not sure. I collect RPG's and at one time (long, long
ago...) I had a fair amount of disposable income...
Post by Werebat
What were the races? Human, Muadra, and maybe Trarch(?) were
humanoids, the Shantha were the eyeless native (psionic) aliens, the
Thriddle and, um, those Githyanki looking dudes and weird bugmen and
goatmen were other aliens... The Iscin races (Moreaus) were Woffen
(wolf), Crugar (mountain lion), and Bronth (bear)... I think there
were Iscin toad people and lion people too, as well as a more
civilized offshoot of the Crugar.
I think that sounds right. Just too lazy to go research it though...
Post by Werebat
- Ron ^*^
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Werebat
2005-12-28 16:12:00 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in
Oriental Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten
Realms, Greyhawk, or Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike
race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
I loved that setting. Hated the rules but loved that setting. And
the artwork was just beautiful. The Bronth rocked. :)
Yes they did. Did you play the CRPG? It was pretty good, although I
never finished it and it won't work on newer machines. The soundtrack
works right off the CD and has some decent theme music for games on it.
I never even knew there was a CRPG for Skyrealms... so no.
Funny, it wasn't until years after playing the CRPG that I learned that
there was a P&P RPG.

The CRPG ("Skyrealms of Jorune") came out near the end of the old Gold
Box D&D CRPGs (Menzoberranzan, etc.) It was actually quite well-done,
although it's... dated... by today's standards. You might possibly
find it on e-bay, but I doubt it would work on a modern machine. You
play a Muadra whose entire village was captured by the Red Shantha, and
you are trying to free them.

- Ron ^*^
Madkaugh
2005-12-28 22:38:38 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...

... and Snuggles, the plush golem bear ...


MadKaugh
Tetsubo
2005-12-28 22:41:37 UTC
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Post by Werebat
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Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...
I prefer my races to have fingers...
Post by Madkaugh
... and Snuggles, the plush golem bear ...
MadKaugh
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Madkaugh
2005-12-29 01:55:30 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...
I prefer my races to have fingers...
IYKWIM,AITTYD


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Werebat
2006-01-02 06:41:06 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...
... and Snuggles, the plush golem bear ...
Or the Hoka...

Seriously, there is a bear race (Urskin?) in the Frostburn book.

- Ron ^*^
Christopher Adams
2006-01-02 13:06:38 UTC
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Post by Werebat
Seriously, there is a bear race (Urskin?) in the Frostburn book.
Urskan. Slightly less than appropriate as a general PC race - they're magical
beasts with the cold subtype, and boast a +4 Level Adjustment on top of five Hit
Dice. They are civilised enough to forge their own plate armour, however.
--
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The question is whether it's pathological for a dropped egg to fall.
-------
Nothing says gritty fantasy like a whacky leprechaun knifing you in the junk.
-------
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
Mad Hamish
2006-01-15 01:23:34 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...
... and Snuggles, the plush golem bear ...
Is there GURPS Pokas?
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Mad Hamish
2006-01-15 01:24:08 UTC
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On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:23:34 +1100, Mad Hamish
Post by Mad Hamish
Post by Madkaugh
Post by Werebat
Post by Christopher Adams
Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There's always the Bronth from Skyrealms of Jorune...
... and the Kleibor from STAR ACE ...
... and Snuggles, the plush golem bear ...
Is there GURPS Pokas?
Hokas dammit...
--
"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
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Tetsubo
2005-12-28 02:32:50 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
Post by ASAP
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms, Greyhawk, or
Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the Warcraft Roleplaying Game
contains statistics for the bearlike furbolg race. I'll do you a favour and
+2 Strength, +2 Constitution.
Large size.
30-foot movement.
Natural weapons: Claws 1d6, bite 1d8, slam 1d6.
+2 racial bonus to Knowledge (nature) and Survival. All furbolgs have these as
class skills.
+2 natural armour bonus.
Favoured class: Fighter.
Level Adjustment: +1
So there you go. I have no idea at all whether this is balanced or not.
Thanks.
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tussock
2005-12-28 09:22:28 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the Warcraft Roleplaying Game
contains statistics for the bearlike furbolg race. I'll do you a favour and
<snip>
Post by Christopher Adams
So there you go. I have no idea at all whether this is balanced or not.
Warcraft races are quite a bit tougher than standard DnD, probably
best to add another +1 LA to any that are transferred through to core.
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Nikolas Landauer
2005-12-28 15:25:35 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the Warcraft
Roleplaying Game contains statistics for the bearlike furbolg
And I hope they're the Alliance playable race in the World of Warcraft
expansion. <grin>
</non-sequitur>
--
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Christopher Adams
2005-12-28 23:37:24 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Christopher Adams
That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the Warcraft
Roleplaying Game contains statistics for the bearlike furbolg
And I hope they're the Alliance playable race in the World of Warcraft
expansion. <grin>
</non-sequitur>
I doubt they will be - all the furbolgs seen so far count shamans among their
numbers. Since I doubt that blood elves will be capable of being paladins, you'd
need an entirely separate tribe of furbolgs to join the Alliance, one without a
shamanic tradition; since the neutral Timbermaw furbolgs are supposedly the only
ones left uncorrupted by demons, that seems unlikely.

Plus, there's the argument against using furbolgs that applies to four-legged
races and the naga: they're not depicted as wearing clothing, and several kinds
of armour would struggle to fit them.

I really have no idea who they're going to choose for the new Alliance race.
It's not out of the question that it might be something entirely unforeseen.
--
Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
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The question is whether it's pathological for a dropped egg to fall.
-------
Nothing says gritty fantasy like a whacky leprechaun knifing you in the junk.
-------
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/prestigeclasslist.html
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
Nikolas Landauer
2005-12-29 14:40:30 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Post by Christopher Adams
That said, the Alliance & Horde Compendium for the
Warcraft Roleplaying Game contains statistics for
the bearlike furbolg race. I'll do you a favour and
And I hope they're the Alliance playable race in the
World of Warcraft expansion. <grin>
</non-sequitur>
I doubt they will be - all the furbolgs seen so far count
shamans among their numbers. Since I doubt that blood
elves will be capable of being paladins, you'd need an
entirely separate tribe of furbolgs to join the Alliance,
one without a shamanic tradition;
Or they could decide, with the changes they've made to paladins, that
it's okay to give Alliance access to shamans without giving Horde
access to paladins. Personally, I wish they'd just give every race
access to every class, and make the differences between the races a bit
more pronounced, so there are still clearly preferred race/class
combinations.

For that matter, having Alliance shamans would make the Dragonscale
leatherworking spec more able to contribute to a Guild (my Guild's got
three leatherworkers; the other two, both hunters, are insisting on
Dragonscale spec; I, also a hunter, have offered to take Elemental or
Tribal spec, whichever would most benefit the Guild).
Post by Christopher Adams
since the neutral Timbermaw furbolgs are supposedly
the only ones left uncorrupted by demons, that seems
unlikely.
Not quite only; there is at least one individual formerly of one of the
Ashenvale tribes who is uncorrupted. He's a quest
destination/quest-giver in the Rayne's Cleansing quest series (you even
have to be polymorphed into a furbolg to talk to him).

It's also possible that many furbolgs will become cleansed of
corruption. There have been suggestions that there may be major changes
to some quest structures and certain locations, including true home
areas for gnomes and trolls (cleared Gnomeregan and the Echo Isles,
respectively). I'd certainly like to see some actual results of the
quests millions of people have been doing. :)
Post by Christopher Adams
Plus, there's the argument against using furbolgs that
applies to four-legged races and the naga: they're not
depicted as wearing clothing, and several kinds of
armour would struggle to fit them.
I don't think this argument is really valid for the furbolg, though. It
fits for the naga and the quadrupeds, but not the humanoid furbolg.
Tauren and gnomes can wear the exact same suit of armor. You can't
honestly say that furbolg are farther away from any baseline than that
difference...
Post by Christopher Adams
I really have no idea who they're going to choose for
the new Alliance race. It's not out of the question that
it might be something entirely unforeseen.
Unforeseen, perhaps, but not unseen. None of the WoW races are new to
the series; every one has existed in the games before (blood elves are
just renamed and cataclysmically altered high elves). So far, the most
likely (IMO) is the Draenei, to mirror the blood elves' former Alliance
nature, and to provide an Outland link.

http://www.wowwiki.com/Rumored_Races is a good site to review the
current status, I've found.
--
Nik (from Google)
Christopher Adams
2005-12-29 22:12:55 UTC
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Or they could decide, with the changes they've made to paladins, that
it's okay to give Alliance access to shamans without giving Horde
access to paladins. Personally, I wish they'd just give every race
access to every class, and make the differences between the races a bit
more pronounced, so there are still clearly preferred race/class
combinations.
You have no idea how deafening the screams would be if the Alliance got access
to shamans, but the Horde got nothing in return.
Post by Nikolas Landauer
It's also possible that many furbolgs will become cleansed of
corruption. There have been suggestions that there may be major changes
to some quest structures and certain locations, including true home
areas for gnomes and trolls (cleared Gnomeregan and the Echo Isles,
respectively). I'd certainly like to see some actual results of the
quests millions of people have been doing. :)
That would be interesting.
Post by Nikolas Landauer
I don't think this argument is really valid for the furbolg, though. It
fits for the naga and the quadrupeds, but not the humanoid furbolg.
Tauren and gnomes can wear the exact same suit of armor. You can't
honestly say that furbolg are farther away from any baseline than that
difference...
Well, you don't see furbolg in armour. Whether or not that's something that
would hold true for PC furbolgs, I'm not sure.
Post by Nikolas Landauer
Unforeseen, perhaps, but not unseen. None of the WoW races are new to
the series; every one has existed in the games before (blood elves are
just renamed and cataclysmically altered high elves). So far, the most
likely (IMO) is the Draenei, to mirror the blood elves' former Alliance
nature, and to provide an Outland link.
The major problem with any suggested race (other than the furbolg) is that, for
symmetry, their home area must be on Kalimdor. A clan of goblins unaffiliated
with Everlook and the Steamwheedle Cartel might work.
--
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Nikolas Landauer
2005-12-30 13:57:40 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
The major problem with any suggested race (other than the furbolg)
is that, for symmetry, their home area must be on Kalimdor. A clan
of goblins unaffiliated with Everlook and the Steamwheedle Cartel
might work.
Apparently, Computer Games Magazine printed that it would be Draenei.
They later admitted error in not saying it was a rumor, and Blizzard,
without denying the rumor, said that they have not made any
announcement what it would be.

The Echo Isles/Gnomeregan rumor has been debunked; Blizzard says the
new starting areas will be for the new races.
--
Nik (from Google)
Christopher Adams
2005-12-30 23:18:00 UTC
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Post by Nikolas Landauer
Apparently, Computer Games Magazine printed that it would be Draenei.
They later admitted error in not saying it was a rumor, and Blizzard,
without denying the rumor, said that they have not made any
announcement what it would be.
There are draenei in the world, but they are all, as far as I know, in the swamp
near the Blasted Lands and the portal - where the Sunken Temple is. Unless
there's a hidden colony on Kalimdor, or a community is established there as part
of a world event . . .
Post by Nikolas Landauer
The Echo Isles/Gnomeregan rumor has been debunked; Blizzard says the
new starting areas will be for the new races.
I'm very much looking forward to seeing what they do with the goblins. From the
alpha and beta test phases, before they introduced fatigue in ghosts and the
like, people explored the rest of the world by just running out into the sea -
they found some interesting things in the Maelstrom. I've heard that the goblin
island where their city Undermine is was in the game, but you couldn't get in
the city.
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Christopher Adams - Sydney, Australia
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The question is whether it's pathological for a dropped egg to fall.
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http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/mhacdebhandia/templatelist.html
Mad Hamish
2006-01-02 12:43:51 UTC
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Post by Christopher Adams
Post by Nikolas Landauer
Or they could decide, with the changes they've made to paladins, that
it's okay to give Alliance access to shamans without giving Horde
access to paladins. Personally, I wish they'd just give every race
access to every class, and make the differences between the races a bit
more pronounced, so there are still clearly preferred race/class
combinations.
You have no idea how deafening the screams would be if the Alliance got access
to shamans, but the Horde got nothing in return.
Considering the typical population imbalance in servers anything that
makes the Alliance more attractive probably should be delayed at least
until after seeing if Blood Elves get the populations a bit more
balanced.
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Joseph
2005-12-31 19:16:22 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Don't hold back now Chris... Let the guy down gently...
Well, there isn't. There isn't a bear strain of hengeyokai in Oriental
Adventures; there are no bearlike races in the Forgotten Realms,
Greyhawk, or Eberron; no Monster Manual contains a bearlike race.
There, however, is the race of bearfolk called the ursoi detailed in
Bestiary of Krynn, as well as the Second Edition DLR1 product Otherlands.
They have an effective character level of seven.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/downloads
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Tetsubo
2005-12-28 02:33:20 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
No.
Next you'll be telling me there isn't a Santa Claus...
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Justisaur
2005-12-28 00:22:46 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.

- Justisaur
Madkaugh
2005-12-28 00:30:53 UTC
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Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.
- Justisaur
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.

MadKaugh
L***@gmx.de
2005-12-28 00:45:49 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.
- Justisaur
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
MadKaugh
Why the funny name? Does anybody know the etymology?
...and owlbears are small giants, or what? :o)

LL
Madkaugh
2005-12-28 00:51:57 UTC
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Post by L***@gmx.de
Post by Madkaugh
Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.
- Justisaur
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
MadKaugh
Why the funny name? Does anybody know the etymology?
...and owlbears are small giants, or what? :o)
LL
Bugbears:

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bugbears

I'm pretty sure owlbears came about because someones kids had the cheap
plastic figure in the early 70s. The figure predates the monster. Same
with the rust monster and the bulette.

MadKaugh
L***@gmx.de
2005-12-28 01:05:05 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
Post by L***@gmx.de
Post by Madkaugh
Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.
- Justisaur
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
MadKaugh
Why the funny name? Does anybody know the etymology?
...and owlbears are small giants, or what? :o)
LL
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bugbears
So...

[Obsolete bug, hobgoblin (from Middle English bugge, perhaps from Welsh
bwg) + bear2.]

...bug is not from some kind of insect but from old english, but why
the "+bear^2" ???
Still quite mysterious to me, but thanks anyway...
(wikipedia explains what it is, but not why it's named bugbear).
Post by Madkaugh
I'm pretty sure owlbears came about because someones kids had the cheap
plastic figure in the early 70s. The figure predates the monster. Same
with the rust monster and the bulette.
Didn't know that. My son owns a wingless, 4-legged, yellow, two-headed
dragon
of some 25 cm length. I think I have to invent stats for it now.

LL
Madkaugh
2005-12-28 01:19:33 UTC
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but why the "+bear^2" ???
"We all have our bears to cross"?


MadKaugh
tussock
2005-12-28 08:37:02 UTC
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Post by L***@gmx.de
Post by Madkaugh
Post by L***@gmx.de
Why the funny name? Does anybody know the etymology?
...and owlbears are small giants, or what? :o)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bugbears
So...
[Obsolete bug, hobgoblin (from Middle English bugge, perhaps from Welsh
bwg) + bear2.]
....bug is not from some kind of insect but from old english, but why
the "+bear^2" ???
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bear

2nd bear entry.
2. A large, clumsy, or ill-mannered person.
Post by L***@gmx.de
Still quite mysterious to me, but thanks anyway...
(wikipedia explains what it is, but not why it's named bugbear).
A bug is just old common slang for a hobgoblin, which is a little
hearth fey (known for typical fey capriciousness and ass-kicking
vengeance). A bugbear would be a big mean one.
In an abstract way it's just like in DnD.

Bug is such a wonderful word once you get it's history. 1940's
vehicles had gremlins, modern computers have bugs. 8]
Post by L***@gmx.de
Post by Madkaugh
I'm pretty sure owlbears came about because someones kids had the cheap
plastic figure in the early 70s. The figure predates the monster. Same
with the rust monster and the bulette.
Didn't know that.
It should really be in the FAQ, but I guess there's only so much
room in that thing for DnD trivia.
Post by L***@gmx.de
My son owns a wingless, 4-legged, yellow, two-headed dragon of some
25 cm length. I think I have to invent stats for it now.
Desert Landwyrm from Draconomicon plus multiheaded creature
template from SS. I'll leave the addition to the reader.
--
tussock

Aspie at work, sorry in advance.
L***@gmx.de
2005-12-28 23:37:06 UTC
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Post by tussock
Post by L***@gmx.de
Post by Madkaugh
Post by L***@gmx.de
Why the funny name? Does anybody know the etymology?
...and owlbears are small giants, or what? :o)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bugbears
So...
[Obsolete bug, hobgoblin (from Middle English bugge, perhaps from Welsh
bwg) + bear2.]
....bug is not from some kind of insect but from old english, but why
the "+bear^2" ???
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bear
2nd bear entry.
2. A large, clumsy, or ill-mannered person.
Ahh, okay.
Post by tussock
Post by L***@gmx.de
Still quite mysterious to me, but thanks anyway...
(wikipedia explains what it is, but not why it's named bugbear).
A bug is just old common slang for a hobgoblin, which is a little
hearth fey (known for typical fey capriciousness and ass-kicking
vengeance). A bugbear would be a big mean one.
In an abstract way it's just like in DnD.
Bug is such a wonderful word once you get it's history. 1940's
vehicles had gremlins, modern computers have bugs. 8]
My compy has no Schnabelkerf, no Sir!
:-)

Thanks for the infos!

LL
Justisaur
2005-12-28 14:12:30 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC, Druids, and
other things polymorphing into them are about as close as you are going
to get without resorting to SS.
- Justisaur
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
Says you. Thier stats are fine for a bear-race.

besides in OD&D:

http://minipainting-guild.net/eo/eomini.html

- Justisaur
Madkaugh
2005-12-28 15:49:16 UTC
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Post by Justisaur
Post by Madkaugh
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
Says you.
You are joking, right? It's a standard monster race. It's in the MM.
Post by Justisaur
Thier stats are fine for a bear-race.
That is true.
Post by Justisaur
http://minipainting-guild.net/eo/eomini.html
- Justisaur
God, that's wierd. Why not, though?

Those are some ancient minis. They rock.


MadKaugh
Nikolas Landauer
2005-12-28 15:24:11 UTC
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Post by Madkaugh
Post by Justisaur
Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species
Anthro section. Is there a Bear based race in any
published D&D book?
Awakened Bears, Werebears, Bugbears, Bear warrior PRC,
Druids, and other things polymorphing into them are about
as close as you are going to get without resorting to SS.
Bugbears are medium-sized goblins, not bears.
Bugbears are big Medium-sized goblins. Hobgoblins are medium
Medium-sized goblins. Birthright, I thought, went the right way in just
dropping the "bugbear" and "hobgoblin" names, and just calling them all
"goblins", leaving a bit more confusion possible as to how tough one's
enemies or neighbors were (remember, this was 2e, before the advent of
easily adding class levels to monsters).
--
Nik (from Google)
Chipacabra
2005-12-28 19:59:10 UTC
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Post by Tetsubo
I'm trying to avoid the rather inconsistent Savage Species Anthro
section. Is there a Bear based race in any published D&D book?
I tried to put together a Bear PC species a while back. My idea was to
model actual sentient bears, evolved just enough for tool-use, rather than
humanoids with bear traits. Something like the panzerbjorn in His Dark
Materials, although I had the idea independantly. The trouble: The stats
for bears in the MM are too far divorced from reality for my liking. So I
could either make the species stats match what they SHOULD be, and they
wouldn't match the current rules, or I could match the current rules, and
be annoyed at how wrong they are.

I may still dig out my notes and poke at them some more.
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